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At age five, 1954, "the Bishop" (Card. Stritch) stood over me and said, "Stop babbling about what Father Horne did to you." It took me 40 years to talk about it again. Now, I babble. - ke
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Thursday, April 24, 2008

Paracletes Psychologist: I would ask, did your fellow priests question why you had kids around so much. Priests just did not discuss sexualty

By Kay Ebeling

Went document diving today because the hearing on issues the defense does not mentioned was continued to Monday afternoon for the upcoming Salesian cases jury trial. Jury selection begins Monday morning downtown LA in the Stanley Mosk Courthouse Department 1, (110 North Grand Ave). Then the hearing on motions in limine starts back up at 308 S. Commonwealth that same day at 2PM.

Once they have a jury, the trial takes place in Judge Emilie Elias’ courtroom at the Commonwealth location. (Try not to step on people living on the sidewalk as you approach this looming mass of 20th Century concrete and glass that overlooks Lafayette Park. Across the street is a building that used to be a nightclub-hotel, where the likes of Liz Taylor and Rock Hudson would dance the night away. Today it houses Russian refugee families.)

Catch of the day in the Salesian case documents is this statement written by a seminarian who observed and complained about Father Jim Miani way back in the 1940s, copy typed here:

“One day of such vacation , alluding the company of the others, he (Miani) stopped together with a 13 year old youngster and, between a word and a joke, it seems in truthfulness that he tried to commit an indecent act.

The young fellow was able to resist but at the return in the seminary he candidly manifested everything to the Rectory. Thus all the consequences to Miani. The Superiors when questioned have not reported anything else.

I retain that Miani at that time suffered a crises and that advised of the hard realization and its disastrous consequences, has improved his behavior and is determined with his vocation.
In the Heart of Jesus
Rev. Amadio Maurizio

We Do Not Discuss Such Matters
to testify for the plaintiffs

There will be a lot of discussion at this trial about EUPHEMISMS, because the words in these old documents don’t always mean what they say. In the 1940s no one discussed sex, let alone religious order brothers and priests.

For example, we can expect testimony from Jay Feierman, Ph.D. who was a psychologist at Servants of the Paracletes in the eighties and early nineties. Here is part of a deposition with Feierman that was attached to a plaintiffs’ motion:

Q: From your experience do priests when talking about sexual issues use euphemisms?

A: I would call them vague general statements that are not specific.

Q: Can you give some examples?

A: The best one is “impure thoughts,”

(PERSONAL NOTE: I had to stop and take a breath when I read that, as “impure thoughts” was a euphemism Father Thomas Barry Horne used to get to me. It was pre-First Confession First Communion class in the little church of the St. Peter Damian parish in Bartlett, Illinois. Since the area was rural in the early 1950s, there were only a handful of children along with me, all around age 5-6, getting ready for our big entry into the Catholic religion. By this age, I already had a secret sexual relationship with Father Horne. So I was flirting during this interchange:

FR. HORNE: Another thing you talk about in Confession is impure thoughts.

KAY AGE 5: (FLIRTING) What’s impure thought?

FR. HORNE: (AN ALMOST IMPERCEPTIBLE WINK) We'll talk about that later. . .


Enough of that

More from Jay Feierman's deposition

Q: Can you define an impure act?

A: It can range from simply looking at a lady at a shopping center to putting a little boy’s penis in your mouth and everything in between.

Another item in a plaintiffs’ motion: this declaration of a fellow seminarian who witnessed Titian Miani’s flagrante behavior in Edmonton, Canada:

(NAME REDACTED) declares that some time in 1957 or 1958 he went to the infirmary for an injured leg and saw Father Minai orally copulating a fellow student who was “one of the younger boys at the school.”

(REDACTED) declares that he reported the incident to the director of the school Father John Dal Maso. He was later summoned to Dal Maso’s office where he was questioned about the incident. (This was in Edmonton, Canada)

Mr. Redacted will likely be a witness for the plaintiffs in the trial next month.

Talk About Euphemisms: the 1967 Catholic Dictionary Definition of "Particular Friendship"

(Particular Friendship is a particularly favorite euphemism pedophile priests use when discussing their prey.)

From Catholic Encyclopedia
1967 vol. 6

Definition of “friendship, particular”: Particular friendship is an exclusive association between two persons based upon emotional fascination. As such a particular friendship is perversion of God’s gift of good and wholesome friendship. It is a distortion of truth in that it is an exclusive association and therefore detrimental to the universal charity due to all.

A Particular Friendship is a friendship based upon emotional fascination and motivated more by the selfish interests of the “friends” than the desire of each to promote the good of the other.

The danger of a particular friendship is proportioned to a person’s emotional instability.

Such an association exists most often between those who are emotionally insecure. Particular friendships are an expression of the human tendency to love and be loved, which in this case is applied wrongly.

Such friendship can develop between those of the op sex and those of same sex. Characteristics of a particular friendship:

Exclusiveness, all attention on one person to exclusion of others.
Absorption of mind, they think of each other continuously.

Because this type of friendship has all the marks of a relationship between young lovers, the friends feel more and more desire to manifest ---


Why didn't they come out and say it and do something about it instead of pretending it was just a minor aberration!?!?!?!?

If plaintiffs make too big a deal about particular friendships, the defendants will bring in their big guns, a retired FBI agent who testified in deposition that the Salesians use the expression "particular friendships" because:

FBI GUY TESTIFYING FOR DEFENDANTS: They just didn't want cliques, they didn't want teachers’ pets, they didn't want those sorts of things.

So the defense will put on a witness to use euphemisms while testifying about the use of euphemisms. Can’t wait

At a hearing earlier this month they discussed jury selection and logistics for the upcoming trial: Transcribed by City of Angels Winging It Transcripts

JUDGE EMILIE ELIAS: Even if everything is ready to go in two weeks, do you have any idea how long this trial will last?

TOM DELANEY: I think a reasonable estimate is 4 to 5 months or 6 weeks.

TONY DEMARCO: Outside end is six weeks.

JUDGE ELIAS: (HER HAND ON CHEEK, RELAXED UP THERE, SO AT HOME ON THE BENCH) If we're not going to prescreen jurors, we’ll be calling in panels forever.

(She asked who will be the litigators. Ray Boucher will be in court for the plaintiffs, Wayne Mason and Steve McFeely will appear for the defense.)

JUDGE: Finding a jury is going to be difficult.

DEMARCO: It didn't take long in San Francisco

DELANEY: It took two days.

Once a jury is selected the civil trial for victims of sex crimes by Father Jim Miani begins in Judge Emilie Elias’ court on the 14th floor of the Superior Court building at 308 S. Commonwealth.


"Priests were never specifically asked details about their own sexuality.

"A lot of the men had aspects of sexuality they didn't want to talk about and they knew if they didn't act inappropriately in a sexual way, no one was going to ask them about their sexuality.

"It was just the -- sort of the ethics of the institution in a way that nobody was going to probe into your sexual behavior as long as you were willing to live a chaste life.

"My recollection in talking to the men is that their sexuality was just not something that was talked about. Nobody asked them who are you sexually attracted to so. . . Sexuality was just not talked about among priests, within priests, or among themselves.

"I would say well why didn't your fellow priests say something, that, you know, why do you have these kids around so much, and the usual response was, well they never said anything.

“The priests could have blinders in terms of seeing things that they maybe should have said something about and they didn't.”

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Onward. . .


Agnostic in Anaheim said...

If only the Salesians would settle today! Then I could be done with this and move on. I want to begin GIVING money again to my church.

Agnostic in Anaheim, (but maybe not for long...)

Santa Monica Lay Catholic said...

The FELONIOUS FREAK SHOW over the the Rog 'Mahal' Serial Pedophile Aid & Abetter LA Criminal Archdiocse has now spammed, or spoofed, 'Agnostic In Anaheim', all the originality, in their sub human IQ's, of a molding turnip!

Let's SEE, last time I checked, agnostics wanting the Salesian Serial Pedophile Ring cases "settled", and wanting to give money to an EVIL corrupt Archdiocese, they don't belong to, because they are not a member of any religion, defies any shred of logic, or truth!

But as Pilate correctly said in the Gospel's, during Christ's PASSION, from the correct Latin translation: "Who's Truth?!", not the curia revisionist version of: "What Is Truth?", you can figure, yet again, the dwindling minions of The Devil, under his LA designated point person, Rog Mahony, are drowning in their own self made fermenting CESS POOL.

The take home message remains, STOP DONATING laity, we are winning, as we control 100% of all revenues.

The feable, and quite sad, attempts, as demonstrated by gay old men, blackmailed by pedophiles (otherwise they get outed), over at the Rog Mahal is near death, and not likely to be resurrected, in this life, or the next.

Anyone got a shovel? Their corpses are really reaking.

Money is POWER, and 100% is generated from the laity.

STOP DONATING and force the DAMNED from office!

Santa Monica Lay Catholic

Santa Monica Lay Catholic said...

Oh yeah, I forgot to add: aaarrrgggghhhhh!! Please add frothing at the lips and bulging neck veins. But really, I a just a normal person.

Santa Monica Lay Catholic

city of angels lady said...

Yeah! Express yourself!

Shoe said...

I think someone isn't being med compliant!


Torrance Torquemada said...

This Coming Sunday 4/27/08 Is The 6th Sunday Of Easter,

At The Rog Mahal (aka OLA), The Entrance Hymm Is: HIGHWAY TO HELL (1979) By AC/DC

The Offetory Hymm IS: TRUCKIN' (1970) By The Grateful Dead

The Mahal's Eucharistic Hymm IS: 'A WHITER SHADE OF PALE' (1967) By Procol Harum

And the Recessional Hymm IS: GUILTY as sung in a special guest appearance by Britney Spears

Join us also for a riveting HOMILY by our very own, yet unindicted, unprosecuted, unconvicted, aiding and abetting Roger 'His Slickness' Mahony on: "Jesus May Love You, But He Loves Me Better, And I Have Your Money To Prove It Chumps"

CD's of the homily and music are on sale, at The Mahal Gift Shop, following Mass, for three easy payments of: $6.66.

Gotta love those tune selections:

"Living Easy, Living Free
Season Ticket On A One-Way Ride
Asking Nothing, Leave Us Be
Taking Everthing In Our Stride
Don't Need Reason,Don't Need Rhyme
Ain't Nothing We Would Rather Do
Going DOWN, Party Time
Our Friends Are Gonna Be There Too

We're On The Highway To Hell

No Stop Signs, Speed Limit
Nobody's Gonna Slow Us Down
Like A Wheel, Gonna SPIN It
Nobody's Gonna Mess Rog Round
Hey Satan, Payin' Our Dues
Playing In An Enabling Ped Band
Hey Momma Mary, Look At Us
We're On Our WAY
To The Promised Land

We're On The Highway To HELL
(Don't Stop Us)

And We're Going DOWN,
All the WAY DOWN

We're On The Highway To HELL!"

Malibu Mama said...

Hey Torrance, the music selection and lyrics seems a little "light", try some HEAVY METAL like EVIL CHURCH by Entroned, much more accurate, of the location, and those in charge.

Malibu Mama

Torrance Torquemada said...

Hey, mind your own business, "mama." I write what I want to write. Ain't nobody gonna slow me down.

Torrance Torquemada

Malibu Mama said...

Just trying to be funny and laugh with you. No need to get nasty with me. What's wrong with you? I'm as free as a bird now, and this bird you cannot change...

Malibu Mama

city of angels lady said...

Keep it clean,
This is a Love Machine

The REAL Torrance Torquemada said...

TT here, the last entry claiming to be ME, was the wacks over at the Mahal, Mama, not me...

Or to paraphrase the CCR song: "It Ain't Me, It Ain't Me, I'm No Pedophile SOB (instead of Senator's Son)..."

malibu mama said...

You're mean and nasty, Torrance Torquemada. I want an apology, not some lame excuse about multiple personalities.

Malibu Mama

Torrance Torquemada (yeah, the REAL one). said...

Apparently, the later weird Malibu Mama entries above, yet again, are from some hacker.

I just got off the phone with the real Malibu Mama, not knowing her sign on, had also been stolen, by more than likely, the Den Of Thieves over at The Mahal, who NEVER address FACTS of their ongoing criminalty, at 100% laity expense.

But for a good chuckle, here's the requested "apology", parapharased from Julius Ceasar by William Shakespeare...

Friends, Roman Catholics, Fellow City of Angels Bloggers, lend me your eyes;
I come to BURY Albino Lucani, not praise him!
The EVIL that men do lives after them;

The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with John Paul the First, smiling, or not.

The Noble Roger and many Curia hath told you Lucani was ambitious:

If it were so, it was a grievous fault, And greviously hath Albino answer'd it.

Here, under leave of Roger and the rest - -

For Roger is an honorable man;

Come I to speak in Lucani's funeral.

He was my friend, faithful and just like me:

But Roger says he was ambitious;
And Roger is an honorable man.

He hath brought many captives home to Rome and the faith
Whose ransoms & good will did the general coffers fill:

Did this in Lucani seem ambitious?

When that the poor have cried,
Lucani hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:

Yet Roger says he was ambitious?
And Roger is an honorable man.

You all did hear that in conclave Albino was thrice presented with crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?

Yet Roger says Lucani was ambitious;
And surely Roger is an honorable man.

I speak not to disprove what Roger spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.

You all did love Albino once, not without note.
But here's a parchment, the seal of Lucani;
I found it in his closet, 'tis his will:

Let but the common souls hear this testament - - Which, pardon me, I do not mean to read - -

And they would go and kiss dead
Lucani's Roman-Prescriptioned corpse,
And dip their robes in Albino's true sacred blood,
Yes, beg a hair of him for memory,

And, dying, mention it within their own wills,
Bequeathing it as a rich legacy and of divine hope, that cannot be crushed, unto this issue called TRUTH (thus leading to accountability for wrongs amassed).

But be that as it may be, Roger and his red capped or mitered breathern remain honorable men...



Santa Monica Lay Roman Catholic said...


You got the Eucharistic song incorrect at The Rog Mahl tomorrow, it's - 'Sympathy For The Devil', by The Rolling Stones.

Santa Monica Lay Roman Catholic

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