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By Kay Ebeling
The Salesians write: “The Society objects to the term ‘sexual misconduct’ on the grounds that it is vague and ambiguous” and on this point I agree with the defendants in the upcoming jury trial in LA. In fact all the terms used so far about crimes committed by pedophiles in the guise of Catholic priests have been too vague and ambiguous. It was sodomy on 6 year olds, drugging 8 year olds so that a few priests could rape them on film, using the once blessed sacraments and other elements of the Catholic Church as trappings to snare children and betray their families. “Sexual misconduct” implies pinching in the lunch line.
Just as "Total Outrage" is what I felt when I read this by the defendants, "#14 FIRST AMENDMENT: The Society objects to each request to the extent that it infringes the free exercise of religion in violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the United States Constitution and Article 1 Section 4 of the California Constitution."
HOW DARE THEY equate protecting information in the personnel files of pedophile priests with the basic American right of worshiping God in the way you believe.
There’s a hearing Monday afternoon on the motion that produced the 14-plus objections, Plaintiffs' Motion To Compel further responses and production of documents. Plaintiffs also request documents of the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles in the motion that will be heard May 5 at 2:00 pm in Superior Court Department 308.
I'm beginning to think the Salesian defense team is really an enemy cell planted here disguised as defense attorneys, their mission: to file motions and affect law and slowly destroy the very laws and freedoms which hold the United States of America together. Did any of these guys ever take a Civics Course, US Government 101?
SAY IT LIKE IT IS:
There were pedophiles among the priests and brothers, openly pursuing and ruining the lives of children, without interference, over a lot of years and the other priests and brothers knew about it and did nothing about it.
Plaintiffs write they seek
“Evidence of other Salesian priests and brothers molesting minors, and evidence of the Salesians having notice of those priests and brothers molesting.”
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In other words there were a lot of them doing it and a lot of them knew about it.
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Plaintiffs continued:
The perpetrators have no right to sexual privacy in illegal sexual conduct.
The perpetrators cannot reasonably expect their privacy rights in personnel records to overcome the compelling interest in disclosing allegations of childhood sexual abuse.
The First Amendment DOES NOT prohibit the production of these documents.
Plaintiff Motion to Compel Continued:
In the archbishop’s own 2004 Report To The People Of God the archbishop admitted that victims made accusations against at least 8 Salesian priests and brothers working in the Los Angeles area.
BR. MARK EPPERSON
BR. ANTHONY JUAREZ
FR. LARRY LORENZONI
BR. ERNEST MARTINEZ
FR. TITIAN JIM MIANI
BR. RALPH MURGUIA
BR. JUAN SANCHEZ
BR. JOHN VERHART
On December 19, 2007, plaintiffs served on the Salesians a request for production Set No. Five requesting the production of personnel and confidential files on these eight priests.
January 24 2008, plaintiffs served on Salesians a request for production of business records on the archbishop for files on three of these priests
Lorenzoni
Miani
Juan Sanchez
February 21, 2008, Salesians served objection to the deposition subpoena on Fathers Lorenzoni, Miani, and Sanchez.
February 4, 2008, Lorenzoni’s attorney PAUL GASPARI served objection to Lorenzoni deposition subpoena
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ME: Consider the environment the Salesians created at its schools. With all the pedophilia rampant there, if Salesian managers didn't know they are just as guilty as if they did know. It's inexplainable negligence either way.
HOW COULD THEY NOT KNOW IT WAS GOING ON!!!!?????
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There was a brotherhood of pedophiles operating out in the open and everyone knew about it and now they are trying to squelch it
The Salesians Society, a religious order of the Roman Catholic Church is audacious enough to do do this tap dance in a public courtroom
IN FRONT OF JUDGE EMILIE ELIAS
Who Got To Meet Tom Cruise!!!!
Found this about the judge in the upcoming Salesian trials:
She’s a USC Law School Grad class of 1970, so either she’s even older than I am or she was a child prodigy who went to college at 12. I thought she was younger than me. My lifestyle really played out on my face.
December 2001:
Hollywood film star Tom Cruise dropped a $100m lawsuit against publisher Michael Davis after a retraction, which was approved by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Emilie Elias.
Cruise said he was "pleased" after a publisher retracted his claim to possess a video tape showing him engaged in homosexual acts.
Hmm, the decision in the Tom Cruise case was made in chambers, not in open court, by Judge Emilie Elias.
Uh-oh, I’m in trouble.
Judge Emilie Elias also ruled in favor of a SLAPP motion: ruling that two bloggers posting lies on a website were Cyber terrorists -- causing financial harm to a corporate entity even though they did not stand to benefit financially.
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Am I causing financial harm to the LA Archdiocese with my blog? Am I a cyber terrorist in this judge's eyes????!!!!
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"BULLETIN: Los Angeles Superior Court, June 18, 2003: The alleged cyber terrorists Ian Leicht and Sayyed Bashir were handed a resounding defeat from Judge Emilie Elias this morning as she ruled against Leicht’s SLAPP motion to quash the lawsuit against them by Wellington Burke."
I am not a cyber terrorist.
But I'm not going back to jury selection. . .
Except maybe Friday afternoon to get blasted and roll around the aisle in my blue chair.
All I write is what they say in open court. I can’t help it if it makes them look like fools.
Onward. . .
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"Cyber Terrorist", this is so Kafkaesque as to be laughable, if it were not true.
As long as we are chatting about TERRORISM, what exactly do you call the systematic rape, sodomy, oral copulation, sexual assault, physical maiming, child endangerment or deliquency, suiciding, murder, kidnapping, unlawful abduction, extorsion, mental torture, tax evasion, and racketeeering of many thousands of children in Fresno, Stockton and LA, under Roger Mahony's watches, over decades, with no correction to this very day?
If this is not religious institutionalized terrorism, on a wider scale that the Texas FLDS cult, then Osama bin Laden has successfully cyber hacked the Webster's Dictionary.
All the Judge has to do is read just a few days of verified reporting at:
www.bishop-accountability.org
/abusetracker
or Ms. Ebliing's public service web site to KNOW, 'the book' should be thrown at the Saliesans and Mahony; though I prefer the thought of 'shot while escaping', to save the tax payers the court trial costs.
Joseph Stalin's infamous quote about The Gulag & Siberia & The Soviet Purges, killing millions, seems similar here: "One murder is indeed a tragedy, a thousand a statistic."
When, laity are you going to stop donating to Los Angeles' version of Stalin, Roger Mahony, the single biggest unpunished crook in the American Roman Catholic Church, costing you directly billions of dollars, out of each and every one of your pockets?!
For the love of your own soul and salvation, if not that of all children, render Mahony a prompt one way ticket to forced removal by NOT DONATING!
RC In Hunnington Beach
>>>>All I write is what they say in open court. I can’t help it if it makes them look like fools.<<<<
Lying fools. Amoral lying fools. Reptiles.
WHOM are "Lying Fools. Amoral lying fools. Reptiles."? The Saliesans, the lawyers for The Saliesans, the Judge?
Please claify, I'm slow on the uptake here as a brand new City Of Angels reader.
Referred Friend Of Santa Monica Lay Roman Catholic
Today Is Acension Thursday, May 1st, 2008.
The witnesses to The Acension are told, by apparently 2 Angels, that Christ will return the way he left in today's Gospel.
Can we expect Our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ to return on some shiny white clouds?
I think not.
What I suspect is more likely is Christ, via The Holy Spirit, already long ago returned in each and every one of our baptized souls, as St. Paul suggests, in his letters and Epistle to the Romans.
Therefore, we are EACH responsible in this Body Of Christ, called the Roman Catholic Church, to do the best we can, in pointing out the maligent cancers, like unpunished or removed (incurable) pedophile clerics, and their equally deadly aid/abetters/enablers in Church high offices, like Roger Mahony, Bernard Law, Edward Egan, Sean O'Malley, Claudio Hummes, Francis George, Norbeto Rivera, etc., that are lethally toxic "to the life of the world to come".
Mahony's clear, present, and needed removal, and many hundreds more in the curia, is the only option to save the whole.
There are approximately 1.14 Billion Roman Catholic souls on this Earth, who pay 100% of a bills of the Church.
There are less that perhaps a few thousand guilty red hats and miters that need to be removed.
I believe the path to true reform is extremely visible, by the power of the laity ceasing any money donations, until this EASY and most achievable solution is attained.
Go With God, But Stop Donating,
Padre Perdious
This CATHOLIC PRIEST is an expert on pedophilia, AIDS, priests and the Vatican. He is a LAWYER, PROFESSOR, and IN with the HIERARCHY. He has written “Clergy, Sex and the American Way,” “The Reawakening of Marriage,” "Single Gender Marriage: A Religious Perspective," and endless articles on AIDS, The Vatican, pedophilia, and PRIESTS. Photogenic, too. http://law.cua.edu/fac_staff/ObrienR/
Thanks for the link to the priest lawyer. There is a treasure trove there. He also wrote--20 years ago,
"Pedophilia: The Legal Predicament of Clergy," 4 Journal of Contemporary Health Law and Policy 91-154 (1988). And-
"The Pending Gauntlet to Free Exercise: Mandating That Clergy Report Child Abuse" (with Michael T. Flannery), 25 Loyola of Los Angeles Law Review 1-56 (1991).
I wonder what these articles say, and if he would make a great deposition witness for the plaintiffs? If he was writing on these topics 2 decades ago, and the hierarchy knew of this then…
Roger's a great guy! Trust Me!
Ray Boucher
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Mother Angelica, of ETWN, remains correct, Roger Mahony, on his best day, is "fuzzy", but most of the time, Roger is a walking and talking living example of the overtly profane, not suitable, nor fit, for any office, let alone Cardinal of the largest, and (once) wealthiest Archdiocese in America.
Roger has lead the LA Archdiocese into utter evil debauchery, overt criminality, and financial ruin; far beyond what he found on arrival.
Roger will continue his crime spree of plundering, spinning, and cover up, with full blown child endangerment, as he has done for many decades, for his own meglomaniac reasons, at the total expense of any poor, any laity, any needy, any thing truly scared, or anyone, but himself.
The Saliesans follow Roger's scorched earth examples in the trials Kay is reporting on, because they too believe they can lie, cheat, and bamboozle the laity, paying all the bills, yet again.
Roger is in his own mind the fabled Kevin Spacey character in 'The Unusal Suspects', who turned out to be Kyser Soze (Mastermind Criminal who never gets caught).
In point of fact, Roger is nothing more than a cheap street hustler from Hollywood, playing a role no one else wanted out of common sense, riddled with clerical and religious pedophile rings, under Tim Manning's Vicar General Benjamin Hawkes (a pedophile himself).
Roger cleaned up nothing he found on arrival in LA, back in 1985, and in fact, allowed all manners of evil to thrive even more..
Roger campaigned hard for an office that John Paul II (no saint) granted him, in exchange for lots of ongoing revenue to The Holy See, Roger diverted from LA laity revenues donated.
Roger has lined his own pockets with this office, he bought, including but not limited to, the single largest body count of raped, sodomized, and tortured kids, in the entire history of the American Roman Catholic Church.
You KNOW this guy is reviled, when for about a 6 month period, some months after OLA opened, no one took down the translucent tape, with white lettering, to blend into the white background marble, "NOT SOON ENOUGH", on the blank DECEASED portion of Roger's own crypt head stone, downstairs, at OLA high pressure sales tactics selling ("SKYBOXES"), for final ego resting slots.
Roger is one sick joke.
In a real sense, Roger Mahony exsemplifies the demise of Los Angeles, and all that might have been, in some small portion, good, honest, or pure, if it ever was, now long GONE.
The Sin City (Las Vegas) marketing slogan: "What Happens In Vegas, Stays In Vegas", has stiff competition in reality, with what Roger Has Wrot.
If there is truly a "ROOT OF ALL EVIL", as the title of the Lewis Black comedy television show is named, in LA, look no further that Roger Mahony.
Cal Tech Professor
www.caltech.edu
"And The Truth Shall Make You Free"
>>>>WHOM are "Lying Fools. Amoral lying fools. Reptiles."? The Saliesans, the lawyers for The Saliesans, the Judge?<<<<
They are all of those who participate in the commission and the cover up of one of the greatest crimes in the history of humanity.
Those who pretend to be men of God and are not. Men who wear the cloth, and are guilty of the systematic rape of untold thousands of children.
Men who call themselves "princes of the church" and conduct a public relations campaign of lies and spin to hide the truth of these crimes, of their scope, nature, and often of their own involvement.
Leaders of God's flock who spend millions upon millions of dollars, money donated for the purpose of caring for the poor, the sick, and the under privileged...on lawyers, and on public relations firms, in order to hide the truth, by overwhelming the legal system with meaningless drivel and by subjecting victims to the re-victimization of brutal depositions.
Not to mention their own obscenely opulent lifestyles.
Who else would do things that are so wrong, so sinful, and so offensive to both man and God, other than "amoral, lying fools" ?
And do them while claiming to be his representatives on Earth no less?
Men who while professing themselves to be wise, have become as fools.
"Whomever should offend one of these little ones.......will get millstones and one free scuba diving lesson".
J.Christ(paraphrased)
How will they ever escape judgment and damnation?
I hope this clarifies to whom I was referring.
Thanks for the reptiles & lying fools clarification.
New City Of Angels Blog Reader
Why is not the Otalian government going after Mahony's international looting of stolen religious and ancient national treasure artifacts and art, prominently display in OLA's basement and elsewhere?
After all, the Italian government and Interpol, with the FBI'sd help, went after The Getty Museum and Marion True, that laundered funds electronically, like many criminal professional operations do DAILY, via the Vatican Bank, with the facilitation of one Roger Mahony.
Pardon me, sometimes I am just slow.
NOW I see how my statement re: "lying amoral fools" might appear to possibly be directed at the counsel for the Saliesans or the judge.
This was not my intent and I am sorry if anyone thought that.
I am so angry about the crimes that have been committed that sometimes when I see the word "fool" I just automatically think of the pedophile mafia within the church and I am temporarily blinded to all else.
Perhaps it's part of the damage that was done to me as I am also a survivor of the fools in question.
Having said that, I realize that even the lowest of the low are entitled to legal representation.
Check out the slush funds, and literally millions of diverted laity monies, laundered via the cemetary accounts for the LA Archdiocese; there are more than bodies and skeletons in these black holes.
Grave Digger
I'm offically volunteering to donate the first dollar to the Roger Mahony Millstone Scuba Diving
Lesson Fund!
Thanks for the link to O'Brien at GWU. I emailed him asking for copies of those papers.
kay
"Otalian", that's more than accurate Archangel, considering Mahony recently took a loan out for $50 million dollars, on an Irish bank - to avoid IRS reporting and domestic financial laws or subsequent discovery in litigation - using laity paid for parish school properties as collateral, against the loan, for more ripping off of monies, to pay legal bills he has racked up in the ongoing mutiple billion cover up, with no end in sight.
Once again who get's stuck paying off the loans? THE LAITY.
The brazen defiance of this criminal named Mahony knows no bounds.
Count me in to donate the second dollar to the Mahony Millstone Scuba Diving Lesson (singular).
Bel-Air Former Altar Boy
Has anyone considered going after Mahony via the Consumer Fraud Laws?
There are bounty programs in almost every County District Attorney's office, as well as the State of California Attorney General's Office, for up to $250,000 in non appealable judgements, per incident; which means Mahony can't hide behind armies of laity paid for lawyers pr agencies or gamed civil and criminal courts.
The only think Mahony 'gets' is the money aspect.
GET enough laity filing consumer fraud complaints and the 'teflon' may not slick too well.
Recovering In Riverside
Mahony can't even find his own relics, he has to STEAL them from the Monterey Diocese, under the LA Archdiocese.
Check out the direct omission of THEFT at:
www.archdiocese.la/about/heritage/
vibiana.html
Recovering:
Mahony's too slick probably to be nailed under Consumer Fraud Laws, though it is a nice thought.
Think about it, like the Bel-Air Altar Boy said, Mahony floated a loan on an Irish Bank, talk about SLICK! o
You've got to wonder if Bill Clinton is consulting to the LA Archdiocese?
There are also 10% finders fee bounty program with the IRS, but again, The Devil Incarnate posing as an LA Cardinal, has probably got this rap beat also.
Sigh,
Sierra Madre RC With No 'Treasure'
But My Soul (Which Is More Than I Can Say For Mahony)
kay says, Thanks for the link to O'Brien at GWU. I emailed him asking for copies of those papers. Why not just ask the Saleazian Defense team, theyre more likely to help than the good father.
Great idea! Count me in on the Roger Mahony Millstone Scuba Diving Lesson Donation Fund; put me down for 30 Pieces Of Silver.
SNAPista
"Laura Burney" from 'Sleeping With The Enemy', portrayed by Julia Roberts.
Well, someone suggesting the Salesian Defense Team would provide substantive documentation, on their clientss ongoing massive criminality, all at laity expense, at least has a warped, if not sadisitc, sense of humor.
"Laura" might as well suggest we call up Roger Mahony and asked politely for his resignation, and his own submission of laicization and excommunication requests, to Benedict XVI th?!
Absolute ZERO is measured at 273.15 Degrees NEGATIVE on the Celsius Scale.
It will be a COLDER day in Hades before such "Laura" (1944 Otto Preminger directed, featuring Gene Tierney & Dana Andrews) suggestions hold even one microgram of truth.
Cal Tech Professor
www.caltech.edu
"And the Truth Shall Mak You Free"
I read on the OLA web site that the cathedral is designed to bounce about 27 inches in tolerance during an 8.0 earthquake.
What I want to know, is how far it's office holders can it SPIN with no laity money?
This may be a real case of pertual motion applied by inanimate sold souls.
Civil Roman Catholic Engineer
Hi. Do you have a link to:
"#14 FIRST AMENDMENT: The Society objects to each request to the extent that it infringes the free exercise of religion in violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the United States Constitution and Article 1 Section 4 of the California Constitution."?
I'd like to repost your story to my blog and that of a sexual abuse org, but I need third party substantiation.
Please drop me a line at my blog in the comments section of any post.
http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/
Best,
Marc
If Ray Boucher (serial LA Archdiocese pedophile) says Roger is a great guy, that's good enough for me.
Francis O'Grady
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